June 25th, marked twenty years that Jay-Z changed the game of hip-hop with the release of his debut album Reasonable Doubt.

To celebrate the historic hip-hop event, Rob Markman from Genius sat down with Kareem “Biggs” Burke to talk about the history behind the album, the process leading up to the release, and some never before heard Roc-A-Fella Records stories.

In the 16-minute conversation, Biggs recalls the first time he met Jay-Z, and says how he wasn’t a fan of his sound.

“Some of the music that Jay was shopping early on, I think that people didn’t really gravitate towards,” he states, “even though lyrically, he was probably on top of his game. People just couldn’t really see the vision.”

The hip-hop pioneer then continues as he details the aspect of the album-making process, and says DJ Premier, who produced “D’Evils,” “Friend Or Foe” and “Bring It On,” recently told his how he would be frustrated at how many reels were used up on skits.

‘Y’alls wasting all my reel. I come in upset like, “Yo, these dudes just wasted 15 minutes on reels.” He said, ‘Y’all would just laugh all day.’ So we was in there, there’s a lot of stuff that didn’t make it, too. We were just trying to give life to the album.”

Reflect on 20 years of Reasonable Doubt by watching the interview below.