Madonna gives us an insider view of what it is like to work with Kanye West in her cover story with Cosmopolitan – hitting shelves April 14. The Queen of Pop describes the session as full of ideas, of which they take turns soaking in.

“It’s a little bit of a bullfight, but we take turns. He knows that he’s walking into a room with a person with a strong point of view, and I do too,” she said. “I listen to what he has to say, take it in, and he listens to what I say and takes it in. We didn’t agree on everything, but he has good ideas.”

The upcoming collaboration is set to appear on Ye’s upcoming So Help Me God LP. Read more on how Madonna still ignores the online haters at Cosmopolitan.